As I recall from Conner (too settled and comfy to get up right now and transcribe what he says, so, maybe later) the Pantheonization of Marat’s remains was kind of a dick move because
The Thermidorians did it as a symbolic gesture to gain the poor’s support, because Marat was quite popular among the poor and had been raised to a kind of cult status in the year following his death. Jean-Pierre Marat, Marat’s youngest brother, supposedly attended the ceremony, giving the illusion of family support.
But Jean-Pierre was only one of six to nine siblings (ask me about that one sometime, it’s hilarious) and differences of opinion are bound to occur in any family. Albertine Marat (and Simonne Évrard, since they were working together by that point) very much objected to Marat’s being moved to the Pantheon, in writing, prior to that. Marat himself wrote some things in 1791 about all the people he didn’t like who were buried in the Pantheon, so it’s possible he wouldn’t have seen it as an honor either.
And of course, once they consolidated their power, the Thermidorians de-pantheonized Marat, and reactionary groups went around smashing busts of him and smearing his memory.
The whole thing makes me roll my eyes and headdesk the same way the phrase “Republicans are the party of Lincoln” does in nowadays-politics.
Stuff in French about Albertine and Simonne’s reactions.
The ceremony was also mixed with a celebration of recent military victories, which gave it a different tone altogether. Newspapers from the time also reported there wasn’t as many people as expected, less enthusiasm from those who were there, less happiness, and more coldness. Also important to note: less women where there should have been many. They justified it with “rumors” (and likely bad weather, as people do nowadays, lol) but perhaps the people was just less gullbile than they thought.
“Restraint, control and and propriety were vital if society was not to blow up in their face.”
—Roy Porter, England in the Eighteenth Century
It is important to stress that the society Jane Austen was writing about — and of which she was a loyal and critical member — was one which was essentially based on landed interests, the sacredness of property. At least since John Locke affirmed that “Government has no other end but the preservation of property” (in The Second Treatise of Government, 1690), the “rights of property” were continually stressed until they no longer appeared as the arbitrary and repressive ideology of the ruling propertied class but rather as a law of nature – “that law of property, which nature herself has written upon the hearts of mankind” (William Blackstone, 1793). Throughout the eighteenth century the general order and stability of society and the “rights of property” were not only inseparably linked: they became regarded as identical. […]
In an essay discussing “Property, Authority, and the Criminal Law” in the eighteenth century (in Albion’s Fatal Tree) Douglas Hay examines the various ways in which the populace was persuaded, or forced, to assent to the “rule of property”. […] Clearly terror was not the most important — or successful — way of maintaining the structure of authority which arose from property and protected its interests. The bonds of “obedience and deference” had to be maintained and perpetuated in other, subtler ways. What could never be exacted by legalised brutality might be won by a paternalistic mode of behaviour on the part of the landed class, by graciousness, justice, generosity, mercy. In this way, ideally at least, social control in the eighteenth century might appear as a “spontaneous, uncalculated and peaceful relationship of gratitude and gifts” and the whole system “a self-adjusting one of shared moral values, values which are not contrived but autonomous”. To maintain that this ideal was in fact how society worked and was bonded together necessarily involved a great deal of mystification, varying degrees of self-deception and inter-colluding habits of seeing — or not seeing — and selectively distorting and censoring aspects and conditions of society as they actually were. And of course the façade if harmonious relationships between the ruling propertied class and the populace was often a very thin and transparent one.
There was social order and stability, but it was always precarious and insecure. Just as there were regular hangings, there were frequent if often ineffectual riots. But above all of course there was the frightening example of the French Revolution. The Gordon riots of 1795 in London indicated the existence of plenty of easily-inflammable latent violence and discontent. (In a riot in October 1795, a window of the royal coach was broken, to the accompaniment of cries of “No King!”) The dream of an unshakeable, “natural” social order composed of benevolent propertied authority and loyal deferential populace came to seem increasingly threatened, increasingly unreal (to Jane Austen among other people). It was impossible complacently to assert that anything like the French Revolution couldn’t happen here. It all too obviously could.
This is why, for one thing, there was an increasing emphasis on the importance of property, in maintaining social peace and order in late eighteenth-cetury England. (An example of this intensification of emphasis is the way in which Burke reversed Adam Smith’s assertion that property was dependent on social order and made social order dependent on property — thus further “naturalising” and prioritising property.) To this extent Jane Austen is in agreement with the dominant ideology: her proper heroes all have landed property and her heroines need a propertied man (Persuasion as always the significant exception).
But in addition, and equally important, there was a new emphasis on the need for good manner and morals among the propertied class. Since they did not rule by police and force but rather by system of deference and obedience, they had to be exemplary — in every sense. […] Property was a necessary, but not sufficient, basis for a stable and orderly society. Decorum, morality and good manners — in a word, “propriety” — were equally indispensable. The one without the other could prove helpless to prevent a possible revolution in society. […] For Jane Austen, to secure the proper relationship between property and propriety in her novels was thus not the wish-fulfilment of a genteel spinster but a matter of vital social — and political — importance. That is why it is in many ways irrelevant to argue whether she was a relatively mindless reactionary or an incipient Marxist. She did believe in the values of her society; but she saw that those values had to be authentically embodied and enacted if that society was to survive — or deserve to survive. She indeed saw her society threatened, but mainly from the inside: by the failures and derelictions of those very figures who should be responsibly upholding, renewing and regenerating social order.
Bad manners were not simply a local and occasional embarassment to be laughed at: they could be syptoms of a dangerous sickness in her society which could ruin it from within — through neglect, transgression and omission rather than by mobs and the guillotine. That there are so few of her characters who seem fully qualified to act as the necessary maintainers of the society of her novels is a measure of her concern and incipent pessimism, a pessimism actualised and visible in her last work.
— Tony Tanner, Jane Austen, Macmillan, 1986, pp. 16-18
the youth of today shouldn’t be successful shitposters at age 15, when I was 15 I was listening to linkin park and making angsty AMVs to bring me to life and embarrassing myself on the internet by being rude to strangers for no reason, and it built Character. if kids are skipping these embarrassing mess years I quite frankly am offended and upset
Danton: When you’re in government, there’s a million ways to exploit your power. Have I ever given into that temptation? No. Never. I’m not that kind of politician.
[cut to Danton cutting in front of the line at a hot dog cart]
I just love pre death penalty Robespierre very much….
*sighs heavily* ughh
Yeah, so. There’s this thing called the skid theory, which, according to our good friend Albert Soboul, implies that 1789-1791 was all fine and dandy but 1792-1794 transformed the Revolution’s aims into that of a bloodthirsty dictatorship led by none other than Robespierre. Sounds pretty fatalist, right?
It’s a great filler piece, no doubt, in attempt to fabricate an explanation. But, to quote Soboul: “There was not a skid of the Revolution in 1792, but a will of the revolutionary bourgeoisie to maintain the cohesion of the Third Estate through an alliance with the popular masses, without whose support the gains of 1789 would have been forever compromised…
…Reintroducing into history the contingent and the irrational does not seem to constitute progress in the profession of a historian, but indeed retreat and almost a surrender” (271).
The thought of a “pre-death penalty” and “post-death penalty” Robespierre is therefore ridiculous. Robespierre shifted his views based on the demands of the time, as several politicians throughout history have in times of urgent crisis. As Soboul mentions, an alliance with the people was required, and certain Terror legislation reputed for its notoriety, such as the Law of 22 Prairial, were designed to prevent excess bloodshed and stop popular violence from flaring up.
So. Let’s eliminate the notion together that Robespierre suddenly turned into a bloodthirsty hell demon in 1792 when he voted for the death of Louis. Because guess what? The majority of the Convention voted the same way.
Have a wonderful day, everyone. 🙂
I agree with this but I also think that the views that Robespierre held in 1789 are not less valid than those in 1793 just because it was “a time of crisis”. And vice-versa. The fact that Robespierre accepted the death penalty from a determined moment onwards doesn’t make it any less exceptional that he was one of the only people to want the abolition before in a time that most people were in favour of the death penalty (Even supporters of Beccaria would think the death penalty was required in cases of treason and danger to civil and public life).
What I mean is while I do think that “pre-death penalty Robespierre” was the “good” Robespierre is a erroneous assertion because you can’t really pick and chose which Robespierre you like while analysing his thought and is also a lack of understanding of the development (Without the positivist connotation) of revolutionary thought (also the good and bad involves most of the times a simplistic judgement of the situation) I also think we shouldn’t take the opposite direction which is to believe that the views Robespierre held before 1792-93 are totally invalid and unimportant before the supposed “evolution” of his thought. What should matter is why he changed and what brought about that change and even to wonder how what he thought during 1789 or 1790 goes in line with what he thinks 2 years later.
there are a lot of philosophers out there, and they all need to get pummeled. here’s the chances that you’ll come out on top in no particular order.
Socrates Who wins: Socrates Look, there is a -100% chance that Socrates lands a KO, but that’s because he doesn’t need to. you come in spoiling for a fight and by the end of it you’re seriously debating whether you can truly claim to have ownership of your arms. It makes you want to fight him more and then you just get deeper into the spiral. don’t bother.
Plato Who wins: Plato Sorry, but his name literally means ‘burly guy.’ you’re not going to win this one.
Aristotle Who wins: You Ok actually I don’t know who wins here but Aristotle needs to be beaten up so badly. Please punch him. I’ll help.
Diogenes: Who wins: Diogenes I get why you want to fight him. I want to fight him. Everyone wants to fight him. don’t do it tho. His entire life is a series of him asking people to fight him and he still lived to one million years old. Don’t do it.
Epicurus Who wins: Epicurus Jesus don’t fight Epicurus. dude does NOT care. your punches will be like water off a ducks back.
Kant Who wins: Nobody I forget the argument I was going to make because I just looked him up and he looks like a weird adult baby.
you’ll win this one but why do you want to fight an adult baby. Avoid.
Voltaire Who wins: You sidenote: is there a single picture where Voltaire doesn’t look punchable?
honestly. anyway, look at the guy, he’s like 20 pounds. punch him.
Hume Who wins: Hume ‘In 1731, he was afflicted with a ravenous appetite and palpitations of the heart. After eating well for a time, he went from being “tall, lean and raw-bon’d” to being “sturdy, robust [and] healthful-like”’ HE GOT ILL AND IT ONLY MADE HIM STRONGER. AVOID.
Hegel Who wins: ??? I honestly don’t know but ughhhhhhh he’s so smuuuuuug. Do it. Beat up Hegel.
Kierkegaard Who wins: You Like, the entire Concept of Anxiety. there is no way you could lose this fight. go for it.
Spinoza Who wins: You But you won’t feel good about it. All this scrawny man wants to do is grind up some lenses and maybe watch some spiders making a web if its a wild day. Don’t fight Spinoza.
Descartes Who wins: Descartes Guy was a mercenary. He like, did fencing. Don’t fight Descartes.
Nietzsche Who wins: You Use his moustache as a pulley and kick him in the chest. When you knock him out whisper ‘human, all too human….’, and laugh.
John Stuart Mill
Who wins: You JSM is the proto weird atheist guy who corners you and insists on going on and on about Richard Dawkins. You could take him easy. Fight John Stuart Mill.
Schopenhauer Who wins: Schopenhauer He believed that the world is fundamentally unsatisfied and in search of satisfaction?? This man is DYING to punch somebody. Don’t do it.